Comments on: Nudity, Law, and Social Norms http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/ Economics of organizations, strategy, entrepreneurship, innovation, and more Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:05:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: brayden http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-213 brayden Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:18:19 +0000 https://organizationsandmarkets.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-213 Yes, there are sociologist social psychologists and psychologist social psychologists. The subdisciplines overlap somewhat, but they are fairly different in their theoretical orientation. I wish I could give you more detail, but alas, I never even took a sociology social psychology course during grad school. Yes, there are sociologist social psychologists and psychologist social psychologists. The subdisciplines overlap somewhat, but they are fairly different in their theoretical orientation. I wish I could give you more detail, but alas, I never even took a sociology social psychology course during grad school.

]]> By: Nicolai Foss http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-209 Nicolai Foss Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:58:33 +0000 https://organizationsandmarkets.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-209 Brayden, I may be dense, and I am certainly very ignorant about sociology (as you know ;-)), but I am very confused now. I would never think of, say, Edward Deci as a sociologist, but he most certainly is a social psychologist. Are there SPs who are not Ss? If so, what is the criterion for including a specific SP in the S set? Brayden, I may be dense, and I am certainly very ignorant about sociology (as you know ;-)), but I am very confused now. I would never think of, say, Edward Deci as a sociologist, but he most certainly is a social psychologist. Are there SPs who are not Ss? If so, what is the criterion for including a specific SP in the S set?

]]> By: orgtheory.net » Blog Archive » more enron talk http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-206 orgtheory.net » Blog Archive » more enron talk Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:49:39 +0000 https://organizationsandmarkets.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-206 [...] With all of this talk about the Enron, I'm surprised I don't hear more people saying that they agree with the verdict (there seems to be near unanimity at Conglomerate that the jury was technically wrong in their verdict). I guess this just demonstrates how powerful norms are in deciding how the law is interpreted in the courtroom. [...] [...] With all of this talk about the Enron, I'm surprised I don't hear more people saying that they agree with the verdict (there seems to be near unanimity at Conglomerate that the jury was technically wrong in their verdict). I guess this just demonstrates how powerful norms are in deciding how the law is interpreted in the courtroom. [...]

]]> By: brayden http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-205 brayden Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:37:27 +0000 https://organizationsandmarkets.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-205 Nicolai - We have lots of distinctions among sociologists. One of the divisions is between macro-people like myself and the more micro-oriented folks who call themselves social psychologists. Hechter is probably better thought of as a theorist, but Cook is a social psychologist. Molm, who professes in the sociology department at my alma mater, is also a self-labeled social psychologist. Nicolai - We have lots of distinctions among sociologists. One of the divisions is between macro-people like myself and the more micro-oriented folks who call themselves social psychologists. Hechter is probably better thought of as a theorist, but Cook is a social psychologist. Molm, who professes in the sociology department at my alma mater, is also a self-labeled social psychologist.

]]> By: Peter Klein http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-204 Peter Klein Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:26:16 +0000 https://organizationsandmarkets.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-204 Thanks to all for the readings suggestions. I knew a post with "nudity" in the title would get people's attention. :-) And of course Nicolai is right that both PD and coordination games are important. I should have been more precise. Thanks to all for the readings suggestions. I knew a post with “nudity” in the title would get people’s attention. :-)

And of course Nicolai is right that both PD and coordination games are important. I should have been more precise.

]]> By: Bart Doorneweert http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-201 Bart Doorneweert Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:00:22 +0000 https://organizationsandmarkets.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-201 Wups! I missed a digit somewhere in that calculation; it's 99.5% of his previous salary... Wups! I missed a digit somewhere in that calculation; it’s 99.5% of his previous salary…

]]> By: Bart Doorneweert http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-200 Bart Doorneweert Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:54:13 +0000 https://organizationsandmarkets.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-200 The mystery of compensation of executives was cracked with norms by Herbert Simon in 1957 (Sociometry, Vol. 20, No. 1). Norms are getting there, slowly, but surely. Btw did you know that the new finance secretary in the US gave up 95% of his previous salary to take up his new job? He now makes $200.000/annum. How nude is that? The mystery of compensation of executives was cracked with norms by Herbert Simon in 1957 (Sociometry, Vol. 20, No. 1). Norms are getting there, slowly, but surely.
Btw did you know that the new finance secretary in the US gave up 95% of his previous salary to take up his new job? He now makes $200.000/annum. How nude is that?

]]> By: Nicolai Foss http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-199 Nicolai Foss Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:52:42 +0000 https://organizationsandmarkets.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-199 Peter, There are many references in the management literature to game theory work on conventions and norms. Most muzzy management types just consider it too primitive (there is some justification to this view). BTW, you should distinguish between the "kind of coordination games popularized by Schelling" and PD-games. The latter are by far the more important kind of game when it comes to explaining norms. That being said there is some management work that uses coordination game ideas, e.g., by Camerer and Knez (ICC, 1996) and by yours truly (ICC, 2001). Brayden, Why do you call Hechter and Cook "social psychologists"? Aren't they sociologists? Peter, There are many references in the management literature to game theory work on conventions and norms. Most muzzy management types just consider it too primitive (there is some justification to this view).

BTW, you should distinguish between the “kind of coordination games popularized by Schelling” and PD-games. The latter are by far the more important kind of game when it comes to explaining norms. That being said there is some management work that uses coordination game ideas, e.g., by Camerer and Knez (ICC, 1996) and by yours truly (ICC, 2001).

Brayden, Why do you call Hechter and Cook “social psychologists”? Aren’t they sociologists?

]]> By: brayden http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-198 brayden Thu, 01 Jun 2006 05:10:01 +0000 https://organizationsandmarkets.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/nudity-law-and-social-norms/#comment-198 I think you're correct that management theory hasn't addressed norm emergence, but there is a thriving literature in sociology that deals explicitly with it. Michael Hechter, Karen Cook, and Linda Molm are social psychologists who have spent a lot of time thinking about and researching how exchange relations produce norms of reciprocity and trust. <a href="http://libarts.wsu.edu/soc/Sec_Pages/Horne.htm" rel="nofollow">Christine Horne's</a> research examines how rational choice in exchange relations leads to the production and enforcement of norms. You should check out some of the work that she's done. Her 2004 Social Forces piece is an experimental test of the hypothesis that individuals will be more likely to enforce norms that allow individuals to engage in profitable exchange. When interdependence between exchanging actors is high, the likelihood of norm enforcement is even greater. I think you’re correct that management theory hasn’t addressed norm emergence, but there is a thriving literature in sociology that deals explicitly with it. Michael Hechter, Karen Cook, and Linda Molm are social psychologists who have spent a lot of time thinking about and researching how exchange relations produce norms of reciprocity and trust. Christine Horne’s research examines how rational choice in exchange relations leads to the production and enforcement of norms. You should check out some of the work that she’s done.

Her 2004 Social Forces piece is an experimental test of the hypothesis that individuals will be more likely to enforce norms that allow individuals to engage in profitable exchange. When interdependence between exchanging actors is high, the likelihood of norm enforcement is even greater.

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