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		<title>By: Rajiv Krishnan KOZHIKODE</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/10/15/further-dissent-on-grameen/#comment-4807</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rajiv Krishnan KOZHIKODE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess this blog is accept my comments. I have tried to give a lengthy to Klein&#039;s comment, but, it appears that the blog doesnt supports external links(to which I had referred to). Anyway, in short this is what I have to say...

Although my knowledge about the grameen system&#039;s effectivness and magnitude is more from archival sources, I think that the informations that I have from diverse sources are very consistent - Grameen has changed the lives of thousands of poor and downtrodden. The system has changes the way the poor have been looking at life, women have been highly empowered, education level of girls have risen and standards of living have improved substantially. Over and above, people have gained faith in the banking system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess this blog is accept my comments. I have tried to give a lengthy to Klein&#8217;s comment, but, it appears that the blog doesnt supports external links(to which I had referred to). Anyway, in short this is what I have to say&#8230;</p>
<p>Although my knowledge about the grameen system&#8217;s effectivness and magnitude is more from archival sources, I think that the informations that I have from diverse sources are very consistent &#8211; Grameen has changed the lives of thousands of poor and downtrodden. The system has changes the way the poor have been looking at life, women have been highly empowered, education level of girls have risen and standards of living have improved substantially. Over and above, people have gained faith in the banking system.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Klein</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/10/15/further-dissent-on-grameen/#comment-4625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Klein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rajiv, can you point us to some evidence that the Grameen approach does, in fact, accomplish these objectives? What is the estimated magnitude of the effect?

Incidentally, you&#039;re of course right that it is easier to criticize existing programs than to create new ones. Then again, when someone wins a Nobel Prize and is a rock star of the international development world -- not to mention an aggressive self-promoter -- holding his claims up to scrutiny hardly seems out of bounds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rajiv, can you point us to some evidence that the Grameen approach does, in fact, accomplish these objectives? What is the estimated magnitude of the effect?</p>
<p>Incidentally, you&#8217;re of course right that it is easier to criticize existing programs than to create new ones. Then again, when someone wins a Nobel Prize and is a rock star of the international development world &#8212; not to mention an aggressive self-promoter &#8212; holding his claims up to scrutiny hardly seems out of bounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajiv Krishnan KOZHIKODE</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/10/15/further-dissent-on-grameen/#comment-4616</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rajiv Krishnan KOZHIKODE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Klein&#039;s skepticism on the grameen model ignores ground realities. The grameen bank model is more of a socially driven model than an economicaly driven one. Its always easy to say, &quot;there is something up the sleeve&quot;, what is not easy is to actually pull a rabbit out of the hat. 

Poverty motivates the poor to indulge in criminal behavior for a living. To demotivate such criminal behavior, it would be important to provide the poor with alternate source of living. There are two option here, either spoon feed the poor with a pittance of poverty allowances, as is done in the west, or, to provide a slightly higher amount in the form of low cost loans. The first option only allows status quo to the poor, whereas the second option gives the poor an opportunity to self-sustenance. Morover the first option makes the poor more lazy to do hard labor, while the second option gives them the motivation to work. Of course there would be exceptions and there would be loan defaults, but, it would breed a better society which is more self reliant.

Thus, it is more important to take initiatives than to find fault with initiatives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klein&#8217;s skepticism on the grameen model ignores ground realities. The grameen bank model is more of a socially driven model than an economicaly driven one. Its always easy to say, &#8220;there is something up the sleeve&#8221;, what is not easy is to actually pull a rabbit out of the hat. </p>
<p>Poverty motivates the poor to indulge in criminal behavior for a living. To demotivate such criminal behavior, it would be important to provide the poor with alternate source of living. There are two option here, either spoon feed the poor with a pittance of poverty allowances, as is done in the west, or, to provide a slightly higher amount in the form of low cost loans. The first option only allows status quo to the poor, whereas the second option gives the poor an opportunity to self-sustenance. Morover the first option makes the poor more lazy to do hard labor, while the second option gives them the motivation to work. Of course there would be exceptions and there would be loan defaults, but, it would breed a better society which is more self reliant.</p>
<p>Thus, it is more important to take initiatives than to find fault with initiatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/10/15/further-dissent-on-grameen/#comment-4393</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have heard (third hand) that ethnographic research doesn&#039;t support the finding that women&#039;s lives are &quot;much improved&quot; by the loans.  I have heard that women continue to have the same status, same family duties as before - they just run a company/shop/enterprise/owe money, too.  This was dissertation research, not published that I know of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard (third hand) that ethnographic research doesn&#8217;t support the finding that women&#8217;s lives are &#8220;much improved&#8221; by the loans.  I have heard that women continue to have the same status, same family duties as before &#8211; they just run a company/shop/enterprise/owe money, too.  This was dissertation research, not published that I know of.</p>
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		<title>By: Jüri Saar</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/10/15/further-dissent-on-grameen/#comment-4350</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jüri Saar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, there seems to be at least one person, who seems to question the peace prize:

http://stefanmikarlsson.blogspot.com/2006/10/peace-price-for-banking.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there seems to be at least one person, who seems to question the peace prize:</p>
<p><a href="http://stefanmikarlsson.blogspot.com/2006/10/peace-price-for-banking.html" rel="nofollow">http://stefanmikarlsson.blogspot.com/2006/10/peace-price-for-banking.html</a></p>
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