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	<title>Comments on: The Role of Economic Analysis in Public Policy</title>
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		<title>By: Donald A. Coffin</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2008/02/14/the-role-of-economic-analysis-in-public-policy/#comment-69549</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald A. Coffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this sounds to me like an old, old debate in welfare economics.  If we're at production set Z1, it may be Pareto optimal, in the sense that no one can gain without someone else losing.  But if we're at Z2, the same may be true.  So what's optimal?  Isn' the answer, "It depends"?

My take on the Reich/Schelling contretemps described above is that they are both wrong.  Reich for assuming that the "after-the-bridge" Pareto optimum would include the bridge and Schelling for assuming that the pareto optimum coul;d never include the bridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this sounds to me like an old, old debate in welfare economics.  If we&#8217;re at production set Z1, it may be Pareto optimal, in the sense that no one can gain without someone else losing.  But if we&#8217;re at Z2, the same may be true.  So what&#8217;s optimal?  Isn&#8217; the answer, &#8220;It depends&#8221;?</p>
<p>My take on the Reich/Schelling contretemps described above is that they are both wrong.  Reich for assuming that the &#8220;after-the-bridge&#8221; Pareto optimum would include the bridge and Schelling for assuming that the pareto optimum coul;d never include the bridge.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard to believe that Robert Reich would be right and Tom Schelling wrong. Schelling is a genius; Reich is not. Consequently, I think any confusion about the conflict between evaluation and analysis must be due to the biographer not to Schelling. Policy analysis, like management, is a design science – it's about making things better, i.e., in Herbert Simon’s formulation, converting existing conditions into preferred conditions, thereby creating value. The idea that you can do policy analysis without talking about values is about as coherent as the sound of one hand clapping. Indeed, one of the greatest benefits of benefit-cost analysis is that gives standing to the values of folks who might otherwise not be heard in partisan, adversarial debates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard to believe that Robert Reich would be right and Tom Schelling wrong. Schelling is a genius; Reich is not. Consequently, I think any confusion about the conflict between evaluation and analysis must be due to the biographer not to Schelling. Policy analysis, like management, is a design science – it&#8217;s about making things better, i.e., in Herbert Simon’s formulation, converting existing conditions into preferred conditions, thereby creating value. The idea that you can do policy analysis without talking about values is about as coherent as the sound of one hand clapping. Indeed, one of the greatest benefits of benefit-cost analysis is that gives standing to the values of folks who might otherwise not be heard in partisan, adversarial debates.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Ritenour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Ritenour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hutt's 1936 book is ECONOMISTS AND THE PUBLIC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hutt&#8217;s 1936 book is ECONOMISTS AND THE PUBLIC</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe Champion</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2008/02/14/the-role-of-economic-analysis-in-public-policy/#comment-69523</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe Champion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An extract from the piece on Hutt 

One would like to see a replay of history with the economists, especially Lord Keynes, following the advice and the example of Bill Hutt. In Politically Impossible: An Essay on the Supposed Electoral Obstacles Impeding the Translation of Economic Analysis into Policy he proposed a "dual formula" for economists to deal with the problem of unpopular policies. He quoted Milton Friedman on the duty of economists to prescribe what should be done, without courting political approval. He then noted that Friedman had departed from his own advice on occasions. 
"Friedman's maxim implies that the economist's role is to do this (the ideal) and not to do that (the expedient). I suggest it is the economist's role and duty (in public policy discussions) to do both. Why should not advice proferred typically take the form of saying to the politicians (and indirectly to electorates) with complete candour, something like the following?"

'In our judgement, the best you will be able to get away with is programme A along the following lines; but if you could find a convincing way of really explaining the issues to the electorate, our advice would have to be quite different. We should have to recommend programme B along the following lines'."

"I am not suggesting that economists ought ever close their eyes to political realities. On the contrary, when they are concerned with the practical applications of their science, they ought in every instance to bring voting prospects into the picture - but explicitly."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An extract from the piece on Hutt </p>
<p>One would like to see a replay of history with the economists, especially Lord Keynes, following the advice and the example of Bill Hutt. In Politically Impossible: An Essay on the Supposed Electoral Obstacles Impeding the Translation of Economic Analysis into Policy he proposed a &#8220;dual formula&#8221; for economists to deal with the problem of unpopular policies. He quoted Milton Friedman on the duty of economists to prescribe what should be done, without courting political approval. He then noted that Friedman had departed from his own advice on occasions.<br />
&#8220;Friedman&#8217;s maxim implies that the economist&#8217;s role is to do this (the ideal) and not to do that (the expedient). I suggest it is the economist&#8217;s role and duty (in public policy discussions) to do both. Why should not advice proferred typically take the form of saying to the politicians (and indirectly to electorates) with complete candour, something like the following?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;In our judgement, the best you will be able to get away with is programme A along the following lines; but if you could find a convincing way of really explaining the issues to the electorate, our advice would have to be quite different. We should have to recommend programme B along the following lines&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I am not suggesting that economists ought ever close their eyes to political realities. On the contrary, when they are concerned with the practical applications of their science, they ought in every instance to bring voting prospects into the picture - but explicitly.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe Champion</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2008/02/14/the-role-of-economic-analysis-in-public-policy/#comment-69522</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe Champion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Hutt wrote a book (name eludes me) on the responsibilities of economists to engage with policy (on the basis of good analysis). He also wrote a book, probably in the genre of the sociology of knowledge,  on the retreat from sound political economy during the nineteenth century. http://www.the-rathouse.com/Revivalist4/RC_Huttachieve.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Hutt wrote a book (name eludes me) on the responsibilities of economists to engage with policy (on the basis of good analysis). He also wrote a book, probably in the genre of the sociology of knowledge,  on the retreat from sound political economy during the nineteenth century. <a href="http://www.the-rathouse.com/Revivalist4/RC_Huttachieve.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-rathouse.com/Revivalist4/RC_Huttachieve.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Ritenour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Ritenour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, Ho!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, Ho!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Klein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, of course, technical analysis and policy advocacy should be complements, not substitutes. The claim that one should start with analysis doesn't imply that the economist (or sociologist or political scientist or management theorist) cannot also be an advocate for particular policies or strategies, which is what some scholars seem to believe. 

As &lt;a href="http://www.mises.org/misesbib/pubpol.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;Murray Rothbard&lt;/a&gt; put it: "[W]here is this alleged tradition of requiring economic theorists to take up the monkish cowl and abstain from all thoughts or implications of their work, let alone take direct posts in government? . . . [T]he call for political abstinence is almost always directed to economists outside the mainstream politics of the day. If economists advocate generally accepted policies, this is somehow subsumed under the rubric of "value-neutrality"; only adhering to policies opposed to the conventions of the day is decried as an intrusion of unclean political considerations into the virtuous realm of economic science."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, of course, technical analysis and policy advocacy should be complements, not substitutes. The claim that one should start with analysis doesn&#8217;t imply that the economist (or sociologist or political scientist or management theorist) cannot also be an advocate for particular policies or strategies, which is what some scholars seem to believe. </p>
<p>As <a href="http://www.mises.org/misesbib/pubpol.asp" rel="nofollow">Murray Rothbard</a> put it: &#8220;[W]here is this alleged tradition of requiring economic theorists to take up the monkish cowl and abstain from all thoughts or implications of their work, let alone take direct posts in government? . . . [T]he call for political abstinence is almost always directed to economists outside the mainstream politics of the day. If economists advocate generally accepted policies, this is somehow subsumed under the rubric of &#8220;value-neutrality&#8221;; only adhering to policies opposed to the conventions of the day is decried as an intrusion of unclean political considerations into the virtuous realm of economic science.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Ritenour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Ritenour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, one comment that has stuck with me from graduate school was made by Leland Yeager in his last money and banking course.  When asked about the role of the economist in public policy he quickly and forthrightly declared, "The first job of the economist is the get the analysis straight."  After you get the analysis done, then you can examine what is politically possible and let the politicians do their work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, one comment that has stuck with me from graduate school was made by Leland Yeager in his last money and banking course.  When asked about the role of the economist in public policy he quickly and forthrightly declared, &#8220;The first job of the economist is the get the analysis straight.&#8221;  After you get the analysis done, then you can examine what is politically possible and let the politicians do their work.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Ritenour</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2008/02/14/the-role-of-economic-analysis-in-public-policy/#comment-69516</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Ritenour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...Robert Reich was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;Robert Reich was.</p>
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