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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Give Me Money!&#8221; by Peter Klein</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2012/05/25/give-me-money/#comment-90339</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Klein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 19:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Positive externalities are ubiquitous. Claiming that the government should fund X because X has positive externalities is not a very strong argument, because it ignores the positive externalities from Y.

BTW I&#039;m not of course expecting a sophisticated discussion of research design in a mass email. But you&#039;d expect the various blogs and websites discussing the issue, the statement from the editor of the field&#039;s flagship journal, the special issue highlighting NSF-funded research, etc. at least to acknowledge these kinds of concerns. They seem blithely unaware that to the typical US taxpayer their pleas come across as simple rent-seeking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Positive externalities are ubiquitous. Claiming that the government should fund X because X has positive externalities is not a very strong argument, because it ignores the positive externalities from Y.</p>
<p>BTW I&#8217;m not of course expecting a sophisticated discussion of research design in a mass email. But you&#8217;d expect the various blogs and websites discussing the issue, the statement from the editor of the field&#8217;s flagship journal, the special issue highlighting NSF-funded research, etc. at least to acknowledge these kinds of concerns. They seem blithely unaware that to the typical US taxpayer their pleas come across as simple rent-seeking.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Give Me Money!&#8221; by dkuehn</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2012/05/25/give-me-money/#comment-90287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dkuehn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But that&#039;s precisely why we use markets for scientific labor that do respond in the long run. Certainly people will shift what they&#039;re working on. That&#039;s largely the point of bidding up wages, right!

If there is something they would have worked on in the absence of the grant that has a lower value than the stuff they would work on on the grant we &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; want them working on it. We want to bid them away. The trouble is, we&#039;d like a sure method of valuing science that has social payoffs. 

Unfortunately political allocation can&#039;t give us that. Unfortunately, the market can&#039;t either. 

So we&#039;ve gotta do our best. But I don&#039;t see why it&#039;s a bad thing to bid people off other projects.

And again - insofar as their is bidding off other work, it&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;short-term&lt;/i&gt; phenomenon. In the long-run, so long as we do our best to approximate the social value of this research, the bidding away that goes on is bidding away that we&#039;d like to see happen.

I think the issue ultimately should be attaching the right social value to publicly funded research, not being concerned about short-run inelasticities that Goolsbee&#039;s work picks up. If we get the valuation right none of the bidding away should bother us.

And I think good social science tells us two things: positive externalities are underfunded by the market and corner solutions are rarely optimal except in some unusual circumstances. So I think good social science is on the APSA&#039;s side here. Of course there&#039;s a lot more legwork to do to determine the right amount of funding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that&#8217;s precisely why we use markets for scientific labor that do respond in the long run. Certainly people will shift what they&#8217;re working on. That&#8217;s largely the point of bidding up wages, right!</p>
<p>If there is something they would have worked on in the absence of the grant that has a lower value than the stuff they would work on on the grant we <i>don&#8217;t</i> want them working on it. We want to bid them away. The trouble is, we&#8217;d like a sure method of valuing science that has social payoffs. </p>
<p>Unfortunately political allocation can&#8217;t give us that. Unfortunately, the market can&#8217;t either. </p>
<p>So we&#8217;ve gotta do our best. But I don&#8217;t see why it&#8217;s a bad thing to bid people off other projects.</p>
<p>And again &#8211; insofar as their is bidding off other work, it&#8217;s a <i>short-term</i> phenomenon. In the long-run, so long as we do our best to approximate the social value of this research, the bidding away that goes on is bidding away that we&#8217;d like to see happen.</p>
<p>I think the issue ultimately should be attaching the right social value to publicly funded research, not being concerned about short-run inelasticities that Goolsbee&#8217;s work picks up. If we get the valuation right none of the bidding away should bother us.</p>
<p>And I think good social science tells us two things: positive externalities are underfunded by the market and corner solutions are rarely optimal except in some unusual circumstances. So I think good social science is on the APSA&#8217;s side here. Of course there&#8217;s a lot more legwork to do to determine the right amount of funding.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Give Me Money!&#8221; by Peter Klein</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2012/05/25/give-me-money/#comment-90285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Klein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 15:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, but I&#039;m talking about the within-scientist effect. Take the supply of scientists as fixed in the short run. The issue is whether a grant induces the researcher to work on a project he otherwise wouldn&#039;t have worked on, or simply increases his compensation for working on the projects he was already doing or planning to do (salary supplement, equipment and travel funding that benefits his other activities, etc.). APSA seems to assume that the former effect dominates the latter (or that the latter effect is zero). I have plenty of first-hand evidence that the latter effect is common.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, but I&#8217;m talking about the within-scientist effect. Take the supply of scientists as fixed in the short run. The issue is whether a grant induces the researcher to work on a project he otherwise wouldn&#8217;t have worked on, or simply increases his compensation for working on the projects he was already doing or planning to do (salary supplement, equipment and travel funding that benefits his other activities, etc.). APSA seems to assume that the former effect dominates the latter (or that the latter effect is zero). I have plenty of first-hand evidence that the latter effect is common.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Give Me Money!&#8221; by Daniel Kuehn</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2012/05/25/give-me-money/#comment-90283</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Kuehn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 15:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have quite high expectations of research design in mass emails!

Part of the issue with Goolsbee is that he&#039;s looking at relatively short term impacts. Economists studying this labor market since at least the 50s have noted that one of its most important features is a high short-run inelasticity of supply. So yes, in the short run you have much higher wage effects than quantity effects.

This doesn&#039;t hold true in the long run. It&#039;s a good study of Goolsbee&#039;s, consistent with the rest of the literature, but I think it&#039;s often poorly (and for that reason over-) cited.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have quite high expectations of research design in mass emails!</p>
<p>Part of the issue with Goolsbee is that he&#8217;s looking at relatively short term impacts. Economists studying this labor market since at least the 50s have noted that one of its most important features is a high short-run inelasticity of supply. So yes, in the short run you have much higher wage effects than quantity effects.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t hold true in the long run. It&#8217;s a good study of Goolsbee&#8217;s, consistent with the rest of the literature, but I think it&#8217;s often poorly (and for that reason over-) cited.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Organizing Entrepreneurial Judgment: Kindle Edition Now Available by Peter Klein</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2012/05/23/organizing-entrepreneurial-judgment-kindle-edition-now-available/#comment-90280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Klein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 14:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rafe, it must be a mistake. You were supposed to get a second copy absolutely free, but only after paying $298.83 in shipping and handling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafe, it must be a mistake. You were supposed to get a second copy absolutely free, but only after paying $298.83 in shipping and handling.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More Coase by links &#171; Increasing Marginal Utility</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2012/05/22/more-coase/#comment-90265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[links &#171; Increasing Marginal Utility]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 05:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 101-year-old Coase says game theory is dumb. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 101-year-old Coase says game theory is dumb. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Organizing Entrepreneurial Judgment: Kindle Edition Now Available by Rafe Champion</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2012/05/23/organizing-entrepreneurial-judgment-kindle-edition-now-available/#comment-90204</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rafe Champion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 05:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice comment on Coordination Problem.
http://www.coordinationproblem.org/2012/05/is-this-how-the-myth-of-the-laissez-faire-herbert-hoover-was-invented.html?cid=6a00d83451eb0069e2016305be1344970d#comment-6a00d83451eb0069e2016305be1344970d]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice comment on Coordination Problem.<br />
<a href="http://www.coordinationproblem.org/2012/05/is-this-how-the-myth-of-the-laissez-faire-herbert-hoover-was-invented.html?cid=6a00d83451eb0069e2016305be1344970d#comment-6a00d83451eb0069e2016305be1344970d" rel="nofollow">http://www.coordinationproblem.org/2012/05/is-this-how-the-myth-of-the-laissez-faire-herbert-hoover-was-invented.html?cid=6a00d83451eb0069e2016305be1344970d#comment-6a00d83451eb0069e2016305be1344970d</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Organizing Entrepreneurial Judgment: Kindle Edition Now Available by Rafe Champion</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2012/05/23/organizing-entrepreneurial-judgment-kindle-edition-now-available/#comment-90203</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rafe Champion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 05:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it is the Finnnish (or wherever) readership that did it. Or his mother. BTW I got two of your book, possibly by accident or was there an offer of steak knives?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is the Finnnish (or wherever) readership that did it. Or his mother. BTW I got two of your book, possibly by accident or was there an offer of steak knives?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Organizing Entrepreneurial Judgment: Kindle Edition Now Available by David</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2012/05/23/organizing-entrepreneurial-judgment-kindle-edition-now-available/#comment-90186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 19:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you nailed it.  

My edited volume is at 2,121,862, mostly because my mother didn&#039;t buy a copy.  I think that would bump me into the top 2 million.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you nailed it.  </p>
<p>My edited volume is at 2,121,862, mostly because my mother didn&#8217;t buy a copy.  I think that would bump me into the top 2 million.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vertical (Dis)integration and Technological Change by Technology and the Vanishing Hand &#171; The Past Speaks</title>
		<link>http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2012/05/18/vertical-disintegration-and-technological-change/#comment-90119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Technology and the Vanishing Hand &#171; The Past Speaks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 10:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Langlois, an economist at the University of Connecticut, recently posted something about the Vanishing Hand on the Organizations and Markets blog.  His term Vanishing Hand is a reference to both Adam Smith&#8217;s famous theory of the invisible [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Langlois, an economist at the University of Connecticut, recently posted something about the Vanishing Hand on the Organizations and Markets blog.  His term Vanishing Hand is a reference to both Adam Smith&#8217;s famous theory of the invisible [...]</p>
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